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Posted on 16-09-2010 15:06
I'd like to post this article from the Guardian. Polly Toynbee is also the president of the British Humanist Association.
The article is on the nature of religion and the role of the catholic church. It is IMHO a little aggressive or one-sided, but I tend to agree with most of it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/sep/14/sex-death-poisoned-heart-religion

I came across it the other day, when reading about an open letter signed by 50 or so intellectuals and humanists on the pope's visit to the UK this week:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/15/pope-uk-state-visit-protest


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Posted on 18-10-2010 12:36
If you're at all interested in what prison is like in the US, you should check out this forum thread. It is a long read but quite engaging and, if true, offers some surprising insights.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=136858


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Posted on 22-10-2010 12:15
Grizlas wrote:
If you're at all interested in what prison is like in the US, you should check out this forum thread. It is a long read but quite engaging and, if true, offers some surprising insights.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=136858

That was very interesting! The guy is a really good writer, and is very insightful, especially about himself. What I found most interesting was how many of the cliches and stereotypes we see and hear about US prisons are really false, or exaggerated. We all know that, of course, but this is one of the few times that I've heard something (presumably) real, and ,I think, the most detailed account.

Recommended read indeed.


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Americans thought that they were less superstitious and more rational than the peoples of Europe. They had actually carried out religious reforms that European liberals could only dream about. Early Americans were convinced that their Revolution, in the words of the New York constitution of 1777, had been designed to end the 'spiritual oppression and intolerance wherewith the bigotry and ambition of weak and wicked priests' had 'scourged mankind.' Not only had Americans achieved true religious liberty, not just the toleration that the English made so much of, but their blending of the various European religions and nationalities had made their society much more homogeneous than those of the Old World.

The European migrants had been unable to bring all of their various regional and local cultures with them, and re-creating and sustaining many of the peculiar customs, craft holidays, and primitive practices of the Old World proved difficult. Consequently, morris dances, charivaries, skimmingtons, and other folk practices were much less common in America than in Britain or Europe. The New England Puritans, moreover, had banned many of these popular festivals and customs, including Christmas, and elsewhere the mixing and settling of different peoples had worn most of them away. ... Since enlightened elites everywhere in the Western world regarded these plebeian customs and holidays as remnants of superstition and barbarism, their relative absence in America was seen as an additional sign of the New World's precocious enlightenment.

America had a common language, unlike the European nations, none of which was linguistically homogeneous. In 1789 the majority of Frenchmen did not speak French but were divided by a variety of provincial patois. Englishmen from Yorkshire were incomprehensible to those from Cornwall and vice versa. By contrast, Americans could understand one another from Maine to Georgia. It was very obvious why this should be so, said John Witherspoon, president of Princeton. Since Americans were 'much more unsettled, and move frequently from place to place, they are not as liable to local peculiarities, either in accent or phraseology.' With the Revolution some Americans wished to carry this uniformity further. They wanted their language 'purged of its barbaric dross' and made 'as pure, simple, and systematic as our politics.' It was bound to happen in any case. Republics, said John Adams, had always attained a greater 'purity, copiousness, and perfection of language than other forms of government.'

Americans expected the development of an American English that would be different from the English of the former mother country, a language that would reflect the peculiar character of the American people. Noah Webster, who would eventually become famous for his American dictionary, thought that language had divided the English people from one another. The court and the upper ranks of the aristocracy set the standards of usage and thus put themselves at odds with the language spoken by the rest of the country. By contrast, America's standard was fixed by the general practice of the nation, and therefore Americans had 'the fairest opportunity of establishing a national language, and of giving it uniformity and perspicuity, in North America, that ever presented itself to mankind.' Indeed, Webster was convinced that Americans already 'speak the most pure English now known in the world.' Within a century and a half, he predicted, North America would be peopled with a hundred millions of people, 'all speaking the same language.' Nowhere else in the world would such large numbers of people 'be able to associate and converse together like children of the same family.'

Others had even more grandiose visions for the spread of America's language. John Adams was among those who suggested that American English would eventually become 'the next universal language.' In 1789 even a French official agreed; in a moment of giddiness he actually predicted that American English was destined to replace diplomatic French as the language of the world. Americans, he said, 'tempered by misfortune,' were 'more human, more generous, more tolerant, all qualities that make one want to share the opinions, adopt the customs, and speak language of such a people.'

Gordon S. Wood: "Empire of Liberty"
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The Myth of Mass Panic

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The image of the panicked deeply ingrained in the popular imagination. Hardly any self-respecting Hollywood disaster movie would be complete without one scene of people running wildly in all directions and screaming hysterically. Television newscasters perpetuate this stereotype with reports that show shoppers competing for items in what is described as 'panic buying' and traders gesticulating frantically as 'panic' sweeps through the stock market.

The idea of mass panic shapes how we plan for, and respond to, emergency events. In Pennsylvania, for example, the very term is inscribed in safety regulations known as the state's Fire and Panic Code. Many public officials assume that ordinary people will become highly emotional in an emergency, especially in a crowded situation and that providing information about the true nature of the danger is likely to make individuals panic even more. Emergency management plans and policies often intentionally conceal information: for ex- ample, event marshals may be instructed to inform one another of a fire using code words, to prevent people from overhearing the news - and overreacting.

Mathematicians and engineers who model 'crowd dynamics' often rely on similar assumptions describing behaviors such as 'herding,' 'flocking' and, of course, 'panic.' As the late Jonathan Sime (an environmental psychologist formerly at the University of Surrey in England) pointed out, efforts to 'design out disaster' have typically treated people as unthinking or instinctive rather than as rational, social beings. Therefore, more emphasis is placed on the width of doorways than on communication technologies that might help people make informed decisions about their own safety.

These ideas about crowd behavior permeate the academic world, too. For many years influential psychology textbooks have illustrated mass panic by citing supposed examples such as the Iroquois Theater fire of 1903 in Chicago in which some 600 people perished and the Cocoanut Grove Theater fire of 1942 in Boston in which 492 people died. In the textbook explanations, theatergoers burned to death as a result of their foolish overreaction to danger. But Jerome M. Chertkoff and Russell H. Kushigian of Indiana University, the first social psychologists to analyze the Cocoanut Grove fire in depth, found that the nightclub managers had jeopardized public safety in ways that are shocking today. In a 1999 book on the psychology of emergency egress and ingress, Chertkoff and Kushigian concluded that physical obstructions, not mass panic, were responsible for the loss of life in the infamous fire.

A more recent example tells a similar story. Kathleen Tierney and her co-workers at the University of Colorado at Boulder investigated accusations of panicking, criminality, brutality and mayhem in the aftermath of Hurricane Ka- trina. They concluded that these tales were 'disaster myths.' What was branded as 'looting' was actually collective survival behavior: people took food for their families and neighbors when store payment systems were not working and rescue services were nowhere in sight. In fact, the population showed a surprising ability to self-organize in the absence of authorities, according to Tierney and her colleagues.

Such work builds on earlier research by two innovative sociologists in the 1950s. Enrico Quarantelli - who founded the Disaster Research Center at Ohio State University in 1985 and later moved with it to the University of Delaware - examined many instances of emergency evacuations and concluded that people often flee from dangerous events such as fires and bombings, because usually that is the sensible thing to do. A fleeing crowd is not necessarily a panicked, irrational crowd.

The second pioneering sociologist, Charles Fritz, was influenced by his ex- periences as a soldier in the U.K. during the World War II bombings known as
the Blitz. 'The Blitz spirit' has become a cliché for communities pulling together in times of adversity. In the 1950s, as a researcher at the University of Chicago, Fritz made a comprehensive inventory of 144 peacetime disaster studies that confirmed the truth of the cliché. He concluded that rather than descending into disorder and a helpless state, human beings in disasters come together and give one another strength. Our research suggests that if there is such a thing as panic, it probably better describes the fear and helplessness of lone individuals than the responses of a crowd in the midst of an emergency.

John Drury and Stephen D. Reicher: "Crowd Control"
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Erections are all about blood. Blood is the backbone of a stiff penis. Though it was a long time before anyone figured this out. In the Middle Ages, the erect male member was thought to be filled with pressurized air, a miniature skin blimp. It was Leonardo da Vinci who made the breakthrough. Cadavers available for anatomy study back then were typically those of executed murderers. Because they'd been hanged, the dead criminals had erections, and because Leonardo was dissecting them, he noticed that their penises were, in his very own words, 'full of a large quantity of blood.'

The blood resides in a pair of cylindrical chambers - the corpora cavernosa - which lie side by side like a diver's tanks. The chambers are filled with smooth-muscle erectile tissue, full of thousands of tiny hollow spaces, like a sponge.
When the smooth-muscle tissue relaxes-which it does at the behest of an enzyme activated when the brain perceives a sexual stimulus - it expands. (Smooth muscle, unlike the striated muscles of your arms and legs, is operated by the autonomic nervous system; this is why men can't simply will themselves erect - or unerect.) The relaxation of the erectile tissuie allows blood to rush in and fill out the spongy hollows. Drugs like Viagra enhance the erection process by knocking out a substance nicknamed PDE5, which inhibits its smooth-muscle relaxation. They inhibit the inhibitor. (Thus, they're called PDE5 inhibitors.)

So now we have achieved, in the parlance of ED experts, an erection. It is a respectable achievement, but it is not enough. An erection, like a motorcycle or a lawn, must also be maintained. The blood that has filled the two erection chambers* must be trapped there, otherwise the erection wilts. This is tricky, as the chambers are equipped with drainage veins along their surface. What keeps the blood from leaking out via these veins? The miracle of passive venous occlusion. (Stay with me here.) These drainage veins lie outside the erection chambers but inside the stiff outer membrane (called the tunica) that protects the erectile tissue. When the chambers expand with blood, they slam up against the tunica - which also expands, but not as much - and this pressure squeezes shut the veins caught in between. If all goes well, the blood stays trapped until a postorgasm chemical messenger tells the smooth-muscle tissue to stop relaxing. When a man is impotent, very often it's because the erectile tissue isn't expanding as vigorously as it needs to squeeze shut the veins, and some of the blood seeps out.

The result: 'Like a tire! Flat!' [explains] Dr. Hsu.

* Actually, there's a third, that runs beneath these two, but it's a lesser player and we're going to ignore it. Likewise, we are going to ignore the erectile tissue in the lining of the nose - which does, very occasionally, expand when its owner is sexually aroused. It too is made erect by increased blood flow. Nasal congestion is an erection inside your nose.

Mary Roach: "Bonk"
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You may remember Jack LaLanne from some old TV-shop commercials, which is where I first learned of him. He died this Sunday, 96 years old.


The Real Jack LaLanne



Jack LaLanne was a mentor to me, as he was to many. He was a great man, more so than most people realize.

His wife of 51 years, Elaine LaLanne, knew. "I have not only lost my husband and a great American icon,” she said, “but the best friend and most loving partner anyone could ever hope for.”

When it comes to exercise and health, the name “Jack LaLanne” has long been virtually synonymous with fitness. Jack literally inspired millions to live a healthful life. But Jack LaLanne didn’t start out as a model of health. Far from it.

When he was a teenager, he dropped out of school for a year because he was so ill. Shy and withdrawn, he avoided being with people. He had pimples and boils, was thin, weak, and sickly, and wore a back brace. “I also had blinding headaches every day,” Jack recalls. “I wanted to escape my body because I could hardly stand the pain. My life appeared hopeless.”

Then he met the pioneer nutritionist Paul Bragg, who preached a new way of living, and to his credit, Jack listened. Bragg asked Jack, “What do you eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner?”

Cakes, pies, and ice cream,” Jack answered truthfully.

“Jack,” Bragg replied, “you’re a walking garbage can.”

He pointed young Jack in a healthier direction.

Jack set out to see what he could accomplish with a good diet and exercise. He found a set of weights and began to use them. He ate only the most healthful of foods. He developed exercise equipment that evolved into what has become standard in many health spas today. In 1936, he opened the first modern health club, paying $45 a month for rent in downtown Oakland.

Jack LaLanne touted the value of exercise and nutrition long before it became fashionable. Many people thought he was a charlatan and a nut. When he encouraged the elderly to lift weights, doctors said this was terrible advice. They said it was a good way for the elderly to break bones. But now, of course, we know that weight-bearing exercise is precisely what is needed to build bone strength and prevent elderly bones from breaking. He was among the first to advocate weight training for women. Doctors said women who tried it would not be able to bear children. Now we know that regular exercise is one of the best preparations for childbirth. Over the years, he’s been vindicated a thousandfold. His television programs have brought his ideas to hundreds of millions of people and helped change the way we all view health and fitness.

It has been said that without eccentrics, cranks, and heretics the world would not progress. Jack LaLanne was most certainly an eccentric. On his sixtieth birthday, he swam from the notorious Alcatraz island prison to San Francisco while handcuffed, towing a thousand-pound boat. “Why did you do that?” people asked. Jack’s response: “To give the prisoners hope.” (The prison has since closed, and today Alcatraz Island is a U.S. National Park Service attraction.)

On his sixty-fifth birthday, Jack LaLanne towed sixty-five hundred pounds of wood pulp across a lake in Japan. On his seventieth birthday, he celebrated by towing seventy rowboats with seventy people on board for a mile and a half across Long Beach Harbor, all while handcuffed and with his feet shackled.

He said his purpose in these phenomenal performances was to demonstrate that a healthful lifestyle can work wonders.

Having pioneered health and fitness gyms in the United States, Jack was gratified that physical fitness and nutrition have become a huge growth industry worldwide, because he believed that the emphasis on exercise and a healthful, natural diet creates stronger, smarter, and better people. “With healthier citizens,” he said, “we unburden society from sickness, and reduce the medical bills that are draining people’s savings and causing so much grief.”

Even in his nineties, Jack was a living testimony to the value of regular exercise and a healthful lifestyle. He was for many years a vegan (no meat, dairy, or eggs), but in his later years, though he still ate no dairy products―“anything that comes from a cow, I don’t eat”― he occasionally ate egg whites and wild fish. Mostly, he ate organic raw fruits and vegetables. And he took vitamins.

His vibrant message was that it’s never too late to get in shape. “Those who begin to exercise regularly, and replace white flour, sugar, and devitalized foods with live, organic, natural foods, begin to feel better immediately,” he said. He emphasized that it takes both nutrition and exercise. “There are so many health nuts out there who eat nothing but natural foods but they don’t exercise and they look terrible. Then there are other people who exercise like a son-of-a-gun but eat a lot of junk. . . . Exercise is king. Nutrition is queen. Put them together and you’ve got a kingdom!”

Even at the age of 95, Jack LaLanne was still a model of fitness and vitality. Full of life and spirit, his one-minute “Jack LaLanne Tip of the Day” pieces were still being shown on seventy television stations. As energetic and flamboyant as ever, he was still speaking all over the world, inspiring people to help themselves to a better life, physically, mentally, and morally.

When he was 94, Jack was asked if he thought he’d live to be 100. His answer was to the point. “I don’t care how old I live! I just want to be living while I am living! I have friends who are in their eighties, and now they’re in wheelchairs or they’re getting Alzheimer’s. Who wants that? I want to be able to do things. I want to look good. I don’t want to be a drudge on my wife and kids. And I want to get my message out to people.” He smiled. “I tell people, I can’t afford to die. It would wreck my image.”

He was once asked about George Burns, the famous comedian who made it to 100 though he smoked cigars, drank alcohol, and was not health oriented. Jack, it turns out, knew George Burns well, and he answered, “George Burns was more athletic than you think he was. And he was a very social man. He loved people, he enjoyed life. He worked at living. Old George was a social lion, he got around and did things. That’s the key right there. It starts with your brain.”

Jack LaLanne was a man of great accomplishments. But perhaps his greatest achievement was that this once painfully shy and sick young man learned to love people and to love being alive.

By John Robbins



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How America got its name

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"[Matthias Ringmann and Martin Waldseemuller and their colleagues] decided to produce a geographical package consisting of three parts: a huge new map of the whole world, dedicated to Maximilian I (the Holy Roman Emperor and thus the symbolic head of the Germanic people), that would sum up ancient and modern geographical learning; a tiny version of that map, printed as a series of globe gores that could be pasted onto a small ball, creating the world's first mass-produced globe; and a sort of users' guide to those two maps, titled Introduction to Cosmography. ... It was a profound moment in the history of cartography - and in the larger history of ideas. ...

"The bulk of the work - the design of the map and the globe, and the writing of the Introduction to Cosmography - fell to Waldseemuller and Ringmann. Ringmann took the lead in writing the book. Libraries today credit Waldseemuller as the author, but the book actually names no author, and Ringmann's fingerprints appear all over it. ... Ringmann the writer, Waldseemuller the mapmaker. ...

"Why dwell on this question of authorship? Because whoever wrote the Introduction to Cosmography almost certainly coined the name America (which would have been pronounced 'Amer-eeka' ). Here, too, the balance tilts in Ringmann's favor. Consider the famous passage in which the author steps forward to explain and justify the use of the name.

" 'These parts have in fact now been more widely explored, and a fourth part has been discovered by Amerigo Vespucci (as will be heard in what follows). Since both Asia and Africa received their names from women, I do not see why anyone should rightly prevent this [new part] from being called Amerigen - the land of Amerigo, as it were - or America, after its discoverer, Americus, a man of perceptive character.'

"This sounds a lot like Ringmann, who is known to have spent time mulling over the reasons that concepts and places so often had the names of women. 'Why are all the virtues, the intellectual qualities, and the sciences always symbolized as if they belonged to the feminine sex?' he would write in a 1511 essay on the Muses. 'Where does this custom spring from - a usage common not only to the pagan writers but also to the scholars of the church? It originated from the belief that knowledge is destined to be fertile of good works. ... Even the three parts of the old world received the name of women.'

"The naming-of-America passage reveals Ringmann's hand in other ways, too. In his poetry and prose Ringmann regularly amused himself by making up words, by punning in different languages, and by investing his writing with hidden meanings for his literary friends to find and savor. The passage is rich in just this sort of wordplay, much of which requires a familiarity with Greek, a language Waldseemuller didn't know.

"The key to the passage, almost always ignored or overlooked, is the curious name Amerigen - a coinage that involves just the kind of multifaceted, multilingual punning that Ringmann frequently indulged in. The word combines Amerigo with gen, a form of the Greek word for 'earth,' creating the meaning that the author goes on to propose - 'the land of Amerigo.' But the word yields other meanings, too. Gen can also mean 'born' in Greek, and the word ameros can mean "new," making it possible to read Amerigen as not only 'land of Amerigo' but also 'born new' - a double entendre that would have delighted Ringmann, and one that very nicely complements the idea of fertility that he associated with female names. The name may also contain a play on meros, a Greek word that can sometimes be translated as 'place.' Here Amerigen becomes A-meri-gen, or 'No-place-land': not a bad way to describe a previously unnamed continent whose geography is still uncertain."

Toby Lester: "The Fourth Part of the World"
Free Press, © 2009, pp 355-357


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Apple's Exclusive Supply Chain

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When new component technologies (touchscreens, chips, LED displays) first come out, they are very expensive to produce, and building a factory that can produce them in mass quantities is even more expensive. Oftentimes, the upfront capital expenditure can be so huge and the margins are small enough (and shrink over time as the component is rapidly commoditized) that the companies who would build these factories cannot raise sufficient investment capital to cover the costs.

What Apple does is use its cash hoard to pay for the construction cost (or a significant fraction of it) of the factory in exchange for exclusive rights to the output production of the factory for a set period of time (maybe 6 - 36 months), and then for a discounted rate afterwards. This yields two advantages:

1. Apple has access to new component technology months or years before its rivals. This allows it to release groundbreaking products that are actually impossible to duplicate. Remember how for up to a year or so after the introduction of the iPhone, none of the would-be iPhone clones could even get a capacitive touchscreen to work as well as the iPhone's? It wasn't just the software - Apple simply has access to new components earlier, before anyone else in the world can gain access to it in mass quantities to make a consumer device. One extraordinary example of this is the aluminum machining technology used to make Apple's laptops - this remains a trade secret that Apple continues to have exclusive access to and allows them to make laptops with (for now) unsurpassed strength and lightness.

2. Eventually its competitors catch up in component production technology, but by then Apple has their arrangement in place whereby it can source those parts at a lower cost due to the discounted rate they have negotiated with the (now) most-experienced and skilled provider of those parts - who has probably also brought his production costs down too. This discount is also potentially subsidized by its competitors buying those same parts from that provider - the part is now commoditized so the factory is allowed to produce them for all buyers, but Apple gets special pricing.

Apple is not just crushing its rivals through superiority in design, Steve Jobs's deep experience in hardware mass production (early Apple, NeXT) has been brought to bear in creating an unrivaled exclusive supply chain of advanced technology literally years ahead of anyone else on the planet. If it feels like new Apple products appear futuristic, it is because Apple really is sending back technology from the future.

Once those technologies (or more accurately, their mass production techniques) become sufficiently commoditized, Apple is then able to compete effectively on cost and undercut rivals. It's a myth that Apple only makes premium products - it makes them all right, but that is because they are literally more advanced than anything else (i.e. the price premium is not just for design), and once the product line is no longer premium, they are produced more cheaply than competitor equivalents, yielding higher margins, more cash, which results in more ability to continue the cycle.

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Are you holding a sarcasm sign up or something?


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anonymous, but clearly an apple fan boy


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Source: A post on Quora by an anonymous, but clearly knowledgeable, user.

Are you holding a sarcasm sign up or something?

No, he clearly is knowledgeable. Was that part too obvious for you? I was just trying to point out that he knows the business well, and may even work for Apple.


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Vuzman wrote:
Source: A post on Quora by an anonymous, but clearly knowledgeable, user.

Are you holding a sarcasm sign up or something?

No, he clearly is knowledgeable. Was that part too obvious for you? I was just trying to point out that he knows the business well, and may even work for Apple.


He oversells a few points, or let's say, undersells what others in the industry do. Several of the things he claims are exclusively Apple, have been done by Intel and Cisco since the 80s. Apple has one big advantage on all of them and that is the industrial design itself, which Jobs attributes to his love for calligraphy among other things, but as for the sourcing of materials, not a lot of revolution happening there.


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He oversells a few points, or let's say, undersells what others in the industry do. Several of the things he claims are exclusively Apple, have been done by Intel and Cisco since the 80s. Apple has one big advantage on all of them and that is the industrial design itself, which Jobs attributes to his love for calligraphy among other things, but as for the sourcing of materials, not a lot of revolution happening there.

Intel doesn't rely on other manufacturers to build their components since they are the component builders, and Cisco relies on market standards. When the gigabit switches started appearing they sold very slowly, since all hardware etc. needs to be upgraded too in order to get the benefits.

Anyway, the point wasn't that this was something exclusive or revolutionary (which anonymous doesn't claim in his post either, but even so, I don't think anyone has ever done anything like this on the same scale), but rather it was an interesting glimpse into how Apple uses their insanely huge pile of cash.


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Norlander wrote:
He oversells a few points, or let's say, undersells what others in the industry do. Several of the things he claims are exclusively Apple, have been done by Intel and Cisco since the 80s. Apple has one big advantage on all of them and that is the industrial design itself, which Jobs attributes to his love for calligraphy among other things, but as for the sourcing of materials, not a lot of revolution happening there.

Intel doesn't rely on other manufacturers to build their components since they are the component builders, and Cisco relies on market standards. When the gigabit switches started appearing they sold very slowly, since all hardware etc. needs to be upgraded too in order to get the benefits.

Anyway, the point wasn't that this was something exclusive or revolutionary (which anonymous doesn't claim in his post either, but even so, I don't think anyone has ever done anything like this on the same scale), but rather it was an interesting glimpse into how Apple uses their insanely huge pile of cash.


The largest EMS in the World, Foxconn, has Apple as it's most renown customer, but also produces for Acer, Asus, ASRock, Cisco, Intel, HP, Dell, Nintendo, Nokia, Microsoft, Sony-Ericsson,

The second largest EMS in the World, Flextronics, has these clients: Cisco, Microsoft, Apple, Motorola, Sony-Ericsson, Western Digital, Dell, LG, RiM, Lenovo, HP, Sun Microsystems and Lego (though not anymore according to my estranged half-brother who actually ran that program for them).

Their biggest client is Cisco, and they actually got sued by Apple, since one of their managers leaked information on the iPhone 4 that they were producing for Apple.

You will notice that most of the equipment sold by OEM's is actually made by EMS companies in their name. Saying Apple is innovative in doing this is pure bullshitsmiley


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The largest EMS in the World, Foxconn, has Apple as it's most renown customer, but also produces for Acer, Asus, ASRock, Cisco, Intel, HP, Dell, Nintendo, Nokia, Microsoft, Sony-Ericsson,

The second largest EMS in the World, Flextronics, has these clients: Cisco, Microsoft, Apple, Motorola, Sony-Ericsson, Western Digital, Dell, LG, RiM, Lenovo, HP, Sun Microsystems and Lego (though not anymore according to my estranged half-brother who actually ran that program for them).

Their biggest client is Cisco, and they actually got sued by Apple, since one of their managers leaked information on the iPhone 4 that they were producing for Apple.

You will notice that most of the equipment sold by OEM's is actually made by EMS companies in their name. Saying Apple is innovative in doing this is pure bullshitsmiley

Yes, I'm sure Intel don't do everything themselves, but their core (pun intended) business is processors, and they do make those themselves in their own factories. They may have some deal with Foxconn to assemble motherboards and put the Intel sticker on, but that hardly compares to what Apple is doing.

Even if it did, and even if you manage to google up some example that is comparable in your favor, you are missing two huge points here:

1. No one said that this was innovative or exclusive. The supply chain itself is exclusive to Apple, yes, but not the process or idea of having an exclusive supply chain.

2. This thread is called Interesting stuff, not Stuff that no one knows anything about and will come as a fucking revelation to Norlander in particular.


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One of the most interesting talk show episodes of all time. Stephen Fry on Craig Ferguson. 1 full hour without an audience.

Part 1


Part 2


Part 3


Part 4


Part 5 - ending


There are just so many fantastic piece of dialog here from Fry, if you're a fan - enjoy!


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